American Carmelita Jeter winnin the 100m PHOTO/Randy Miyazaki
American speedster Carmelita Jeter, who last season became the world’s second fastest woman to ever over 100 metres, will line up at the National Indoor Arena in Birmingham on February 20.
“I can’t wait to return to the National Indoor Arena for the Aviva Grand Prix. I had a great time there, winning the 60m in a new personal best for me,” she said.
“There was a very strong field of names in the line-up and I’ve no doubt that this season’s Aviva Grand Prix will be the same, which means it will be tough to retain my title.
“But it’s a challenge I relish and am up for.”
Jeter, only won the bronze medal behind Jamaicans Shelly Ann Fraser and Kerron Stewart at the World Championships in August, but she returned in September to dominate all her rivals to finish the season with stunning personal best of 10.64seconds – achieved during the Shanghai Grand Prix meeting.
She has a personal best of 7.11secs for the 60m, but is expected to go faster, with her eyes even set on breaking the Russian Irina Privalova’s long-standing 6.92secs world record.
The American is also looking towards the Olympic Games in London in 2012.
She said: “One of the best things about returning to Birmingham is that it gives me an opportunity to familiarise myself with the city in the build-up to London 2012.
“I hope I have the opportunity to see a bit more of it when I visit in February; it’s definitely a great place to have a holding camp for the Olympics.”
By Gary Smith, World-Track
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More power to Jeter!!! I think even if she doesn’t get the long standing record of 6.92, she will get mighty close to it, I think breaking 7 seconds is in very close reach. Quite honestly though, if Shelly Ann Fraser were to run indoors, she would give Carmelita good competition. As Shelly Ann has already shown that she is capable of of breaking the illustrious record, with her 6.88 60m split in the 100m Berlin final, she would Jeter extra incentive if not a flat out rivalry. Nonetheless, the real showdown is outdoors in the 100. 2010 will bring us amazing runs, in both the men’s and women’s 100m
when since american athletes need outsiders to give them competition? and how all-of-a-sudden jeter need overseas compitition when in fact… not even a year ago she could hardly top her local competitors? remember the usa… from ever since always have… at least four, five or even six of the world fastest athletes..[ irrespective of gender], what happened, something gone wrong?
good qeustion Tony roots
lol tony roots go on with ur awesome self keep posting
You’re funny Tony Roots, but you’re not asking the right questions, lol Clearly Carmelita Jeter is the top 100m runner as we know it, whether you and your counterparts believe it’s becuase of drugs really doesn’t matter because that’s just a nationalistic driven opinion. Fraser prior to 08 was nowhere on the world class sprinting radar and improved on her 100 time by more that half a second, but I haven’t seen remotely half as many allegations against her. The thing is, there need not be because, it would be simple ignorance to do so. What we track fans have to do is kill this misconception that causes us to arrive at hasty conclusions about the integrity of many big time athletes, and that misconception is that large improvements in speed can’t be made without the use of PEDs, There is a litany of evidence that disproves this fact. Many sports scientists can attest that the opposite is actually true: that PROPER training WITHOUT the use of PEDs is enough to substantially improve the performance of an athlete especially the likes of Fraser and Jeter . It transcends any ideas of some weird notion that certain nations(USA) have more of a tendency than other nations(JAM) to cheat, including but not limited to sports. And these cynical ideas need to be thrown out for good, because it prevents us as track fans from enjoying the sport to the fullest. If athletes themselves realized this fact( that training is merely enough), more than they already do of course, then we wouldn’t have even 1% of these athletes taking drugs. It’s all an issue of patience. These athletes aren’t patient; they want the end result to come sooner than it should, and are not willing to work for it for whatever reason.
Quite frankly, IF you look closely at Jeter’s progression, she got a great base under Larry Wade, she had excellent top end speed, although her start was wavering. When she joined John Smith, he only capitalized on her strengths and taught her how to run the race from scratch. If you look at anyone who has trained with John Smith, their sprint form is impeccable or close to it. Drummond, Edwards, Greene, Angela Williams, Ato, Inger and a host of others. Jeter was PATIENT enough to learn how to sprint again. Smith helped her put together the race that she needed to be the top 100m runner that she is. Same with Bolt. Mills took the pressure off of Bolt, and encouraged him to be PATIENT enough to learn to run the race that made him the top 100m/200m runner in history, and as we speak Bolt is still throwing what doesn’t work in his race execution in order to improve. Same with Jeter, same with Fraser same with Simpson, same with Stewart……need I type more?
Hey Nathaniel. have you heard the news. WADA has now found a method of testing for HGH. It’s not perfect yet but it’s promising. I can bet we’re gonna see quite a few people, no longer running as fast as they once did. the next two years should be interesting. more power to WADA. More power to Jamaica.
Quite frankly Nathaniel….The John Smith camp look like a columbia wear house.
tony, this has got to be your funniest one-liner yet. roffl.
Nathanial, i believe that all the second guessing about who is dirty undermines the enjoyment of the sport, but please remember why this attitude of skepticism is so prevalent in track and field. Count how many WR holders and how many olympic athletes have been forced to give back their medals and/or been disgraced, and then count the percentage of them who were American. And before you start throwing stones you better consider that Carl Lewis is still in possession of Olympic medals he has no right to possess. The same explanation that you are using to justify Jeters times can be used on Frasier as well, that girl is textbook sprinting right down to her drive out of the blocks. I think while under the guise of fairness you are castigating Frasier’s gradual progression and comparing it to Jeter’s rapid jump in PRs in the space of one month at the end of the track season. The comparison is unfair and rather fraudulent. And before you go on pointing to Jamaicans as the fingerpointers (while bringing up SAF) perhaps you should go back and read the blogs and watch the coverage of the Olympics. Even though it was the US athletes in the forefront of the Balco scandal, the US press and opinions were very free in expressing how they thought the Jamaicans were able to perform so well. NBC still has a link on it’s olympic site asking “What is giving the Jamaicans their spark”. I won’t go into what Tiki Barber said while cohosting as it’s downright insulting. Don’t come here and pretend that the aspersions and the xenophobia are all one-sided on the Jamaicans. I think we both know it isn’t. Phelps won 8 medals, Usain won 3 and SAF one, and yet not one US sportscaster questioned where Phelps was getting his “spark”. People in glass houses…
well said stacy. tony roots you not an easy fella. tiki barber is a big loser when he played for the new york giants he would always fumble the ball in crucial situations, soon as he retired the gaints won the super bowl ,so his opinions dont mean anything to me. there is this feeling of animosity towards people from the caribbean by a certain ethnic group of americans , also a feeling of jealousy and a feeling of suoeriority which makes it very hard for them to accept that we can actaully have the fastest men and women sprinters in the world, next to that we have had the embarassing situation of all these runners from the u.s.a guilty of doping infractions. this is not a good time for them, the simple truth is this the island of jamaica for many years not just yesterday has produced some of the greatest sprinters in the world, namey herb mckinley, arthur wint george rhoden, bert cameron don quarrie , merlene ottey vcb, shelly ann fraser etc. etc. but to now produce the greatest of all time seemingly untouchable invincible usain bolt is just too much. the playing field is getting level now we shall see who is real and who is not.. that is what the entire world wants a clean sport .may the best man and woman prevail.
excuse my typo, the word is superiority.
Stacy, this is no throwing of stones, and I surely don’t live in a glass house. And I clearly pointed out that it makes no sense to question Shelly Ann Fraser just as much as it doesn’t make sense to question Jeter. no so I don’t root for one single country, I root for an athlete based on their performance from whatever country they may be representing. I know nothing of what Carl Lewis does. IF he DID IN FACT take Peds, that would be a shame because he is primarily a big icon in athletics, and not merely because he is American. There are a host of Americans who have gone down the wrong path. And their actions should not be exonerated, bar none, but should that make someone cynical against an entire nation of professional athletes?? Come on now. That’s like stigmatizing all the 1 billion Muslims for the actions of a couple thousand Muslim extremists!!
Let’s be real. Honestly, there’s a ballooning sense of national athletic supremacy that needs to be popped real quick, because as talented as Jamaican athletes are, they aren’t the only ones who have the talent. And I’m referring to Jamaican Americans, Jamaican Brits, Jamaican Canadians, Jamaican Panamanians or any other Jamaican emigrant who can be used to inflate this balloon. That is not to say that Jamaica has not been a track and field powerhouse, because they are, but you have got to have some gracious professionalism in your country’s glory. To some, the likes of Jeter even being able to challenge what many yardies thought to be a Jamaican monopoly is seen as a threat more than anything, and as a result trivialize her feats as “drug business” That’s certainly not fair.
Tony Roots, lol, John Smith’s camp has had worse allegations against them, but unfortunately it comes with the territory of being one of the best training camps in the world. Believe me Glen Mills and Stephen Francis will get the same flack, if they haven’t already. And this also means that Americans aren’t the only one doping behind closed doors. Do believe Jamaicans do it too. I told you about impatience. There impatient Jamaican athletes as well as impatient American athletes, Belgian, British, and the list goes on
Oh yeah and stacy. Carmelita improved .33 in a matter of a year. Shelly improved .53 in a matter of a year. Carmelita peaked at the end of the season, Shelly Ann peaked for the Olympics, but ya know what, they both improved with their own talent and hard work, and nothing more. You wanna know why Jeter peaked at the end of the season, because she ran her OWN race, and ran it well. In Thessaloniki, the 10.67 she ran rivaled Shelly Ann’s amazing start, her pickup was wonderful, and she maintained with the high knee lift all the way to the line. In the Berlin final her race execution was way off. She became over confident after her 10.83 in the semis, and forgot how dangerous Shelly start is, which put her into panic mode.
Shelly Ann’s start is so powerful, that if she were to run the indoor 60, she could get that 60m Wr and keep it for years to come, (her 6.88 split in the Berlin final tell me so).
But both these ladies are equally as talented, and equally as hard working, and my hope is that they continue to push each other to the ultimate limits of sprinting, along with the other top women and men in athletics
1st. I don’t know how long you have been posting on this board, but if you bothered to take a look at my other posts, you wouldn’t be attempting to pigeonhole me into being some kind of nationalist xenophobe.
I was the one who had the problem with the matchup that USATF has been pushing like it’s crack. I’m the one who says it is insulting to athletes from other countries for the US to only want a USA vs Jamaica rivalry competition. Perhaps the athletic supremacy bubble that needs popping is the USA’s. Because for whatever reason Doug Logan and his counterparts decided that it was insulting for the US to have been beaten by a 3rd world country and have stoked a rivalry to try and redeem their “supremacy” because God forbid that the Olympic and WC sprint medal count be the be all and end all. Tell me if there has EVER been a time that US felt it necessary to organize matchups between themselves and ONLY ONE OTHER COUNTRY in order to try to win back the “SUPREMACY” they feel is supposed to be theirs. How utterly hypocritical of you to suggest that the Jamaicans are the one who have a sense of national supremacy when your country is the one perpetuating its own. They have been saying for years that they are better than anyone else and have the best athletes in the world. A 3rd world country beat them 2 years in a row and all of a sudden they need to attempt to redeem themselves with this ridiculous USA vs Jamaica crap.
2nd. What the hell are you talking about? EVERYONE on this board cheers for people from other countries. Ask Minnie about Christine Ohuruogu. I love Kenenisa Bekele and Pamela Jelimo. The regulars seem to all love Daniel Bailey, Ryan Brathwaite, and Dayron Robles. It matters not if they are from another island or another continent, and whether it is based solely on talent or personality or both, we celebrate for a host of NON-JAMAICAN athletes. Stop projecting your views and stereotypes unto others. It is insulting.
Please pay attention to what I am saying, rather than take offense to it. The fact of the matter, is that what I am discussing IS the TRUTH.. In many cases, it is a nationalistic pride rather than a respect for the athlete. Many of you who post here certainly aren’t, and maybe some of you are. For those that are, I’m addressing them. I didn’t implicate you name in anything.
Sure I live in America, but there you go equating me with a country. I don’t speak for America. And yes, America does have the same problem with this supremacy, and it SHOULD be popped as well. But it doesn’t take away from the fact that there are many national egos out here. You feel I’m a hypocrtie. For what concrete reason IDK. But I’m NOT going to apologize for speaking the truth. I was simply engaging in an intellectual dialogue with you about the state of athletics as it is. But I’m certainly not patronizing you as you see it. I would be a fool to sit here and be stereotypical against a people that are my people too.
And yes I have seen many posts with people here and on Trackalerts.com that have lauded athletes from other countries, and I’m not denying that fact. But I have also seen the opposite happen and I’m not incriminating anyone of u here for their actions, I’m simply discussing it. The last thing I would want u to do is take offense. But Stacy, please remain objective when I comment. I think when I used the pronoun “you” in my previous comments, it was equated as literally you, which isn’t the case.
Anyway, I hope you can understand where I am coming from
Have a good night
What sense does it make for an experienced athlete to train to peak at the end of the season in a championship year and not train to peak for the championship? Jeter was in her late 20s last year, she has been doing this for many many many years. Her coach is one of the most experienced and successful in his field. You want to tell me they trained her to peak at the end of the season? Who are you kidding? It would be more believable for you to link her to Asafa than SAF, and say she competes at her best in non-championship settings.
Also, if you were not trying to disparage SAF there was no reason to bring her name into this. Comparing her to Jeter is like comparing apples and oranges. The times of their progressions are as different as their running styles and strengths. As I said, there were enough aspersions cast on her and the other Jamaican medalists by the American media so dont try to pretend that Jeter is the lone victim of alleged PED use. The druggist Carl Lewis had a lot to say about SAF alone about it was suspect that she beat VCB, but has not a peep to say about Jeter. How very convenient.
Now, I have always contended that innocent until proven guilty and that to pillarize an athlete who has not tested positive undermines the enjoyment of the sport, but even I realize that it is legitimate for people to feel some amount of skepticism when an older, female runner from a country with eggregious and recent incidences of PEDs use, improves her PR by .19s in the space of a month at the end of a season. I would not be a rational person and would just be someone roaming around with blinders on if I did not understand why there was a certain amount of skeptism given the circumstances. What does seem irrational is the allusion that 3rd world scientists were somehow given an unlimited budget and are so advanced that they managed to develop a drug that makes the sprinters utterly uncatchable while being undetectable to the best labs worldwide. If it weren’t so detestably preposterous I’d take it as a compliment to the Jamaican educational system.
Lastly,there would never be such a big deal made about any of this if your sports “icons” didn’t feel the need to attack athletes from other countries at every turn. If you notice, the animosity and suspicion doesn’t occur in track with any other country and perhaps you should look into why that is instead of automatically assuming that it’s everyone else who is at fault.
Then Nathaniel, in the future you should be specific. It would seem to one that when call my name in your writing then I apologize that I was silly enough to assume you were referring to me. Just like when you wrote to Tony, I assumed you were talking to him. How utterly ridiculous of me to make that assumption.
p.s. Nathaniel, you are not speaking the truth, you are doing the exact same thing you are accusing everyone else of doing. Putting blame on and castigating others. Your opinion is not the truth, it’s just an opinion. Nor did you write anything about the US national feeling of supremacy, just the Jamaicans, UNTIL I pointed that out to you. And, that in itself is part of the problem.You had the automatic need to scold another country for the exact same thing that you/your country is giulty of. I find it mildly amusing that you can’t see the hypocrisy in that, but it proves my point so I won’t belabor it.
Start on the track and field issues with your own country and when you fix them, then you can move on and berate other nationalities. Until then, you are not extolling truth, just hubris.
LOL Stacy, you’re funny. I’m not even going to entertain your accusations of me. All I will say is that assuming is not a good thing. I give you the benefit of the doubt in this dialogue, and you deserve nothing less. Maybe my choice of words aren’t good enough and you possibly misconstrued my stance. If you are unsure of where I am going with an issue, just ask me and I will try my best to expound. Oh yeah, and please, Nathaniel does not equal America. I am Nathaniel, that’s all
In any event, it has been just over a year that Jeter has been training with John Smith. She actually made her mark on the international scene in 07 under the training of Larry Wade. Prior to that she went through intense rehabilitation of her hamstring for about two years from an injury she sustained back in 04 I believe. She didn’t compete in 05, but came back in 06 while still being administered therapy. 2007 was her first injury free season on the track since the end of the 2004 season. Her track years leading up to 2004 were on the Division 2 level, meaning she was nowhere near her peak. Her best 100 time before 07 was 11.48 and 23.67.
Jeter had every ability to run a 10.6 or 10.7 at the WC, especially judging from her easy 10.83 in the semifinal, but she didn’t run that fast because she got over confident and wasn’t focusing on her race. If you look closely at the Berlin final, and you compare it to the WAF, you’ll see the distinction in race execution: simply, Jeter ran her own race in Greece. In addition, because of her disappointing third in Berlin, Jeter left Germany a hungry woman, and wanted atonement.
And you’re right Stacy, it IS apples and oranges, because Shelly and Jeter are obviously two different people. Different training regimens cause athletes to perform better under different conditions. I mean Wallace Spearmon’s PR in the 200(19.65) back in 06 was done in September or his PR in the 100 back in 07(9.96), done in September. Sanya Richards peaked in the 400 in her penultimate race of the season in 06 and 09. Dayron Robles Pred in the 110H(12.92) at the WAF before he made his breakthrough year in 08. PEaking is never formulaic from athlete to athlete. There are a number of legitimate reasons you can attribute to it. But the use of PEDS should be the last thing considered.
In this context is why I talk about those who jump to such hasty conclusions, because I see these comments on many sights, and it’s a matter of ignorance, not in the sense of stupidity, but simply because people still don’t fully understand the biomechanical and physiological aspects of sprint training in particular.
I was reading an article about Jeter having the burden of being the world’s fastest woman, and I’m glad she doesn’t take it to heart, unfortunately as the article states, her grandmother does.Some people don’t realize the weight of their comments and don’t realize, moreover, than anyone can see these comments, including family members of athletes. When you mention that cynicism undermines the sport, there shouldn’t be an IF an AND or a BUT behind it, because it simply negates the whole respect for the sport. The cynicism is a two way street, fans and athletes alike. Of course the fans who question integrity, but also athletes who do the things that perpetuate this cynicism . So who’s gonna break the vicious cycle
ANyway, take care Stacy.
Peace
It’s quite obvious you have your stance and no amount of common sense or reasoning is going to change it.
IF you believe that in the wake of Balco that ALL the fans who blindly cheered for the sprinters and paid for tickets and/or memorabilia in honor of their athletic prowess do not DESERVE the right to skepticism then there is obviously something wrong with you.
How many times did Marion Jones come out and cry eye water in protestation of her innocence, and I was one of the blind morons who believed her because she had never tested positive, even while her drugged up lying behind was beating the legitimate sprinters.
IF you believe that after these drug cheats in glorious fashion robbed REAL/HONEST sprinters of their medals, contract endorsements, national pride, and global recognition, fans of the sport shouldn’t feel cynicism when an older female athlete has a massive jump in PRs at the end of the season, then it is obvious that you are more guilty of blind nationalism than anyone else you are attempting to point your finger at.
I understand you perfectly. The problem is that you don’t understand me or anyone else. Perhaps if you were a fan from a country whose athletes were REPEATEDLY ROBBED of their medals by dopers then maybe you would understand where they are coming from and why there can be an “ifs, ands, & buts”. But since you are from a country that perpetuated the robbing, then of course you wouldn’t get it.
IF you had to deal with any of these things and have the country with the most eggregious incidences of doping then repeatedly broadcast their views that they think believed the victimized country were the cheats, then you would get it.
Untl that time, cut the crap. Your berating, fingerpointing, and scolding is despicably insulting.
Would you stop with all the verbose exaggerations, lmao. It’s sickeningly amusing smh.
Stacy my friend, what has skepticism ever done that has benefited anyone in the larger sense of things. Skepticism is a reactionary effect that truly only hurts the skeptic. Skepticism is distrust, it’s lack of forgiveness, it’s pent up anger and pain. It’s paralysis. It is a disconnect. You can’t enjoy not a single thing under the cloud of skepticism. And I can’t take on all of that. I got enough problems as it is.
Like I was mentioning before, sports generally is a two way street. Sports wouldn’t be what it is without the fans. The athletes feed off of the morale of the fans. Bolt always talks about putting on a show. MO Greene(forget I mentioned him, lol) relished in putting on a show for who? the fans! SO what happens when the morale of the fans is flat and just plain dead??
Sure we can point the finger and say. “It’s the athletes fault. And you know what?? It most certainly is, because they have betrayed our trust. Should they be Highly Disappointed? yes, with all reason. But can we put ourselves in the shoes of the HONEST athletes for once and think of the arduous task it is to restore the morale of fans who are reluctant in the first place? It’s a mission impossible! The fans have a role to play in bringing back the morale also. This is part of breaking that vicious cycle
I too was utterly disgusted with Marion Jones’s admittance of doping. I was rocked to the core. I stood by that lady like she was my wife. Couldn’t anyone tell me that she was taking drugs without me taking offense. I used to read ALL of her books, watched all her races, knew all the statistical facts of her pro seasons from 1997 to 2006. And then in 07 she admitted her use of drugs, and it hurt. And I thought for a while. “what’s the point of all of this” And I quickly found myself not enjoying the sport for a little while. I don’t know to say that I was skeptical or not, but I could have seen myself easily slipping into that. And I know the feeling of putting your hopes and trust in these athletes and being let down. But you know what I’m learning that we’ve gotta be objective with these instances. We cannot bet our lives on people, because people make mistakes.
And no amount of rules or ammendments will stop an athlete from doing these things because rules are meant to be broken. We need to deal with how these athletes can find it within themselves to have enough integrity to train honestly
And that is a multifaceted issue, because it has sociopolitical implications, psychological implication and the whole gamut.
And we both know the genesis of all this robbing didn’t start with track and field, but I’ll reserve those comments for a more fitting site……. I know the plight that Jamaicans have gone through, in the context of athletics as well as on a larger scale. Think of the American athletes or the European athletes or the Asian athletes who were working on the honor system and were robbed as well. Christine Arron is a classic example. Inger Miller, Xuemi Li, Pauline Davis, Chandra Stirrup, Debbie Ferguson…..and the list goes on. fans and honest athletes have been robbed as a whole, and this is not to trivialize the issue at hand, but lets not overestimate it either………..
Stacy. I wish you well. Hopefully the convo can shift to something a little different concerning track.
Peace, Have a good night
Oh right, because when someone actually points out the REAL situation to you, it’s making verbose exaggerations. Give me a sec for me to laugh at your ridiculousness…LMAO… whew, okay, good one.
Since your one point on here is to badmouth Jamaican nationalism, let me just point this out to you in case you missed it… WE ARE HAVING A GREAT TIME. We have no problem supporting our athletes and the sport, and if you have ever witnessed CHAMPS you would know we start early and never let it go. So you saying that skepticism takes away from the enjoyment of the sport is yet another one of your false statements (and boy do you love to make them).
Side note, nothing gets people more mad on this board than someone calling continued drug use “a mistake”. It was deliberate intent, not a mistake and to imply otherwise is yet another insult hurled that you don’t get.
What I have noticed is that in wake of all the admitted drug use, the only place that the enjoyment of the sport was discontinued was in the US. Jamaicans were not as fickle, but then again, they never had the issue of such rampant drug use. You became disinterested in the sport after the Jones fiasco, the Jamaicans never broke off their loyalty to the sport. You were the one disillisioned and your enjoyment of it suffered. It didn’t for me. They remained utterly loyal to the sport. Once again you are projecting the US issues onto an entire other country. What a surprise, another insult.
World Championships is the 3rd largest sporting event in the world, only behind the Olympics and World Cup, and I couldn’t find one US resident who even knew it was in progress. NBC only bothered to air it on the weekends because it wasn’t that important to them. So don’t come on here and talk crap about who is losing enjoyment from the sport. Its not the Jamaicans. Don’t come on here and talk about blind nationalism. When Lauryn Williams made her voodoo comment at the Olympics do you understand what that was about? Because God forbid, another country was performing better than the Americans, instead she chose to make an insult directed at another nation. Rather similar to what you keep attempting to do here.
Like I said before, because your country was the one doing the robbing and my country was the one being robbed, you will NEVER get why those who are skeptical are justified in their skepticism. You will ALWAYS feel that that emotion is unwarranted and destructive instead of understandable and safe. You don’t get it and you never will because you purposefully keep your blinders on and for whatever reason are refusing to look on the other side of the coin. you’ll never understand untl you walk a mile in another’s shoes. Try it before making your onesided judgments.
Because of your stubbornness, you don’t get it. Is there any statement you have made that is actually true? Dear God, please take your issues and your closemindedness elsewhere. It’s apparent that you know nothing about our culture and yet you insist making your absolute statements as if they hold some measure of truth. they do not. Since you didn’t take my other advice about fixing your own issues before badmouthing others, try this one…
It is better to keep silent and be considered a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Honey, it is time to keep silent.
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I find that you are in fact trivializing the problem. What you are trying to say is that yes you were robbed for years but get over it. I find that it is always the people who committed the acts of grievances who want to dictate how others should respond and when they should get over it.
Right now, what the US did is equivalent to a man cheating on his wife (fans=wife). The world thought he was the best husband ever and he was really Tiger Woods…just whoring around. He has to vow never to do it again and has to deal with the fact that his wife is going to be mistrustful of him for a long time until he proves himself faithful and/or she gets over it. It’s not up to him to tell her how she should deal with his infidelity and when she should get over it.
Using that analogy, it is not up to the US to say that other countries have no reason to be skeptical and to get over it. If you’re in the wrong you have no right to tell others how to react to your wrongdoing. Quite frankly, the audacity that it takes to dictate to others how to react when you are wrong is another part of the problem. When you prove yourselves worthy of trust, you will be trusted. When the majority of the US athletes adopt the honor system we’ll get over it. When USATF forces Carl Lewis to give back his Olympic medals, then we’ll get over it. When USATF doesn’t praise an athlete for admitting drug use after she has already been caught then we’ll get over it.
I think given recent spate of doping, a little skepticism is healthy and is actually better for the sport. The more athletes feel they are under the microscope, the more inclined they are to follow the straight and narrow. Blind loyalty is what helped to athletes believe that they could do anything. You keep extoling why you believe Jeter should be given the benefit of the doubt and holding her up as some kind of martyr to skepticism. Has Carl Lewis, Tiki Barber, NBC news, etc etc etc EVER ONCE EVER QUESTIONED HER PERFORMANCE. And yet they have done that to every Jamaican olympic medalist and somehow you are not on this board going to bat for their honor and defending them. Perhaps that has something to do with your own nationalist prejudices. Can you say “HYPOCRISY”?
You have absolutely no right to tell others how to react and no right to belittle their cynicism. It is extremely condescending and wrong on so many levels.
Stacy a wey Nathaniel go trouble u fah eeh. U deh pon a roll. I am enjoying reading your posts. Defend u’self mi girl u have mi support. Iit’s about time someone speaks up. Nathaniel, Stacy a go unleash pon u if u nuh stop so give it up already she got a lot to say so mi nuh know why u go tep pon her foot fah…lol
Jam FL Boi. I got just as much to say as does Stacy. Icould do this for ever, lol I’m only leaving these comments because I care about the sport too much, and I care about the morale of our fan base. Otherwise, I’d be like, “to hell with this site”
Side note to your side note. Error is a better word to use than mistake.My mistake. Mistake implies inadvertence, error can imply advertence…….Slow to anger quick to…….
You bring up the analogy of infidelity among husband and wife, and you bring up poor Tiger, yes poor Tiger. I won’t touch upon Tiger and his bogeys.
But I will say in those terms, the husband should be disappointed with his actions and should ask God for forgiveness and should find it within himself to become a better man, even if he has to take time away from his wife to really soul search and realize for himself what the depth of being married is. But before I continue, the vows that are said at a wedding are very important, although many don’t take them so seriously. For better or for worse, for richer or for poorer, in sickness and health, till death do us part.These vows are the cornerstone of unconditional love, and it isn’t until both parties involved, husband and wife alike, realize the significance of them that things will begin to be better and richer and healthier and very much alive.
Believe it or not, the wife, or the one who was cheated on, cannot sit in her misery and wear it as a burden for the rest of her days. It will only bring more misery to her. I’ve known and heard of couples who even after the cheating party changed their ways, still suffered trust issues. What does this mean? This means that the one who was cheated on has to forgive what ever has been done, learn from it, and move on as though nothing happened. That sounds far fetched, but in any other event, if the relationship between this couple continues, there will be accusing, distrust and insecurity even when in fact, nothing is going on, making things unnecessarily difficult and defeating the whole point of the relationship. If the relationship ends, every other prospect of a mate that the cheated on person encounters, he/she will not be able to trust or fully commit to or become intimate with because, he/she has not dealt with their trust issues. You have to learn to forgive in order to love unconditionally and truly enjoy something.
An eye to eye introspective between the parties has to occur in order to level with each other and get to the source of the problem, and ultimately work towards a viable solution that can strengthen the relationship. If this doesn’t occur, the marriage relationship will be destined for failure.
Stacy I love you, haha
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My introduction into track and field came with me learning of my grandfather’s cousin Jennings Gordon Blackett who ran for the country of Panama in the late 30s and early 40s. It created a fire within me like no other. It gave me dreams of maybe one day being a great Olympic athlete who would also represent Panama. Learning of my uncle ushered me into the life of a sport that was magical in it’s simplicity. I watched many races, read many magazines, learned much about the history of track in the global sense of things. I was introduced to the beauty of it while also being shown ugly bitter side of it,and in a way, I’m thankful for that because it made the sport real for me. I saw a humanity in it, and it kept me watching, just with a keener, more informed eye, but a loving one nonetheless.
We need to praise all of our athletes good and bad. For it is in seeing the light in them even when they fail to see it in themselves that is empowering, and there’s a wisdom in it. The same way I defend Jeter is the same way I defend Bolt and Powell and Fraser and Stewart and Ottey(whom I love much. I’m still looking for her World indoor record for the 200 by the way) because they are MY athletes just as much as they are YOUR athletes. Their talents belong to the world, and not Jamaica alone. Truth rings in the phrase “Jamaica to de wurl!” Attaching political social or racial tags to a sport wll only contaminate it. A world record or an Olympic or WC medal then will only be a a way of asserting a countiy’s worth or place in this world rather than it simply being the celebration of that athlete’s acheivement. Why do you think so many athletes break under pressure at these World events. Because they are competing in the wrong context. Do you think Bolt only thinks of Jamaica when he runs those races. No. He’s concerned with how he can continue to improve himself in the realm of sprinting with his counterparts Asafa Tyson, Wallace, Daniel and others there by his side.
The point is I do know what Jamaica has gone through in the state of sports as well as on the larger scale. My lens is just as clear as yours to the situation, but it is an injustice and an insult to yourself to sit here and use that as an excuse as to have to the opinions you have. You’re not insulting me one bit, because I know who I am. And it’s not this American collective you keep pinning on me, it’s not these ridiculous comments you claim I have, it’s none of these harsh and unfair judgements ur passing, none of it. And the point is. These things you cling to and identify with are not who YOU are. And once you realize that, which you will, you will see how freed you feel. You’ll be able to enjoy things for what they really are and not what you perceive it to be. YOU are NOT ur perceptions. You are deeper than that. That’s the Stacy I’m talking too. The Stacy beyond being Jamaican. That’s who I wanna hear from, not the entity that claims she Stacy and is holding on to the victimization that has been perpetrated by some collective that is just a product of a mental construct.
That’s the weight of the situation. So let’s once and for all lift it off of our shoulders
Peace and Have a Good night
P.S. How about we talk about Doha instead ; )
Wow…are you high or what? Do you not read? Are you incapable of hearing the facts or are you going to stay in your Alice in Wonderland world. Please get a life.
I don’t know how much plainer I can make it? For Common Entrance, part of the exam was called mental ability. Please be glad you are American, because there is no way you would’ve passed.I need to bring this down to a level you can understand.
1. Unlke you, Jamaicans love track and field. Always have, always will. Just because you and your compatriots used the bad apples to ruin the sport for you is your problem. Do not make it mine or anyone elses. Our support for the sport never waivered. Yours did, and yet you want to lecture others on the need to enjoy it. How does your head not explode with the contradiction? Why do you feel the need to project your issues onto an entire country? Take your condescension and issues elsewhere.
How many times has Tyson Gay broken the American Record? How many honors or parades or statues or distinctions has America given to him? Even Antigua gave more praise to Daniel Bailey and he didn’t even get a medal. When any of our people are involved in any major meet, the country all but stops to see them compete, to support and cheer for them. The celebrations are raucus and all-encompassing. They are treated like rock stars. So dont come on here saying that suspicions take away from us enjoying the sport. We enjoy it more than you ever will, and for some reason you can’t wrap your feeble mind around that fact. I can’t help your fickleness, but again, that is just your issue that you feel everyone else must have.
2. You DO NOT have the right to tell others how they should respond to your NUMEROUS AND DELIBERATE infractions.Not mistakes and not errors. Purposeful intent. Your are not God. Myself and anyone else on this board has a right to their opinions and feelings, and you do not have the right to tell them how to feel about any athlete, or whether or not their suspicions are warranted. Once again, it is the person in the wrong dictating to others how they should react.
3. You are a hypocrite. The only people you come on here complaining about are the Jamaicans. The same thing you are finding fault in others about is the exact same thing that you do.
4. What you are having a problem with is patriotism. Due to whatever drugs you are on, you are under some kind of impression that it is wrong for Jamaicans to support and cheer for their own countrymen. Honey, that is never going to change. It is a part of all sports in all countries, and you can take your madman views and try to change the world but that is never going to happen and never will. Jamaicans will never cheer for Jeter over SAF, just like Cubans will never cheer for Liu over Robles, etc etc etc. It’s the same reason every city has a Chinatown, or that Florida has little haiti, or their are Irish pubs, and Italian neighborhoods. It’s called solidarity.
5. Stop lying, stop projecting stop being a hypocrite. Did you have this much to say when SAF, Usain, Asafa, etc were accused of drug use? Where did you detail your support for them as you are doing for Jeter? Did you use this much time and energy scolding the Americans on the American sites for their presumptions? Have you contacted Bob Costas, Tiki Barber, or Carl Lewis yet and tell them to stop it and that they are taking away from the enjoyment of the sport?
On this site alone, when Mickey makes his “Jamaicans are using PEDs” comments, I have yet to see you EVER ONCE, take him to task or lecture him about his views. In fact that only time you even address what they went through, is when I point out YOUR utter hypocrisy.
6. You do not know my beliefs or my claims or what I cling to. Again with the projections and assuming you know anything. Let me assure you, you do not. You are the only one with the problem. Everyone else is having a damn good time. Take a leaf from our book.
7. I am already free. Everyone is free. You are the only one with the problem. Honey, EMANCIPATE YOURSELF FROM MENTAL SLAVERY. You are so busy trying to police everyone else’s actions that you don’t realize that you are the only one with the issue and the only one whose beliefs are undermining the enjoyment of track and field.
Go dey Stacy…lol I logged on just to read your response. Tell it like it is…lol
JamFlBoi, you are too funny. lol.
Wooo. Stacy, your tongue is gonna get you into trouble one day, and shall be the end of you if you don’t learn how to use it. My goodness sweetie!!! lol And I’m the one who is insulting YOU, lol Woooo. But it’s ok. I still love you.
but if you notice, the genesis of this entire dialogue was my comments on Jeter. Nothing denigrating Jamaica at all. I only mentioned rivalry, and the fact that I would love to see them both compete indoor in the 60m, and then when I defended what I believe are denigrating comments against Jeter, I become a hypocrite and an American nationalist who wants the Jamaicans to go down. And that’s no exaggeration. And then when I mention a nationalistic ego that some have that needs to be popped, instead of acknowledging that fact and simply mentioning that it’s a problem that several countries have, I am instead assumed to be a berating, insulting, hubris talking American nationalist who has no clue about what Jamaica is going through, and that I’m just projecting on Jamaica what I myself am guilty of. That doesn’t sound simply like supporting Jamaican athletes.
You know, the concept of nationalism emerged as a result of colonialism. Colonialsim sought to put a label and name on everything so as to give the impression of power and worth in this world. Nationalism was simply a reactionary process to colonialism, used to fight for independence from the oppressor. To accept nationalism is to perceive an oppressor even when that oppressor may not even exist anymore. Stacy, you alluded to it. The oppressor is the mind. The mind is so powerful, it can tell a person anything, especially the things aren’t true. It can cause one to colonize, it can cause one to FIGHT the colonizer in the name of freedom and PEACE (er?) It can tell a person that he/she has the right to be nationalistic . it can cause one to play victim and make a perpetrator out of a person who says anything different from his/her phillosophy, and it can make anyone who is triumphing for the perceived perpetrator to be an enemy. Nationalism is the state of mind of a group of people TRYING to be free. You ARE free, yes you are. So you don’t need nationalism
Stacy, I’m high on life. I’m high knowing that I’m not my skin color, my Panamanian/Caribbean history, my past mistakes, I’m not even my words. I am the person that realizes that this is not who I am. THAT is emancipation from mental slavery. Realizing that my thoughts opinions, perceptions, emotions- all things of the mind- are not me. And like I will say again, the real Stacy is not the one who calls me a hypocrite and pities me because she feels I just don’t get it. The real Stacy is the person that realizes that we both enjoy track and field for the sake of the sport and that we have more in common than we think.
Of course we have free will. And it can be a beautiful thing, when applied to constructive situations, but this is no time to assert my right or your right to have these feelings or emotions or what not. We’ve had a entire human history exercising these rights, and what good has it done except perpetuate animosity. This dialogue is a testament to it. Egos are talking right now. Not hearts. The history of our human ego teaches us that we don’t have to resort to these outdated ways of dealing with the things of this world, and I know in your heart of hearts you know that. I’m not imposing a thing on any of you, I’m simply encouraging all of you to let go of these same impositions that we so proudly hold on to and claim as our identity.
A nation truly only exists for political and economic reasons, two of the least functional things in this world
The concept of a nation is fake, imaginary, it’s an illusion, and if there’s one thing that living in the US has taught me, it’s just that. There’s too much cultural diffusion for a place to be considered a “nation”.
American culture wouldn’t be what it is without the melange of cultures coming here(by force ot by will) and donating a part of themselves in however many small or large proportions. Jamaican culture wouldn’t be what it is without the fusion of African European, American, and other influences. The success of all athletes wouldn’t be what it is without the improvement of training methods made possible by sports scientists, nutritionists, psychologists and all types of scientists and professionals from all over the globe. We stand on the shoulders of many people of diverse backgrounds. So when you walk and talk and have all the comforts and luxuries of life, know that you stand on the shoulders of many, including but not limited to the Jamaican people. So are you gonna hold on to some socioeconomic and political imposition, or are you going to embrace the legacy of humankind that transcends any imaginary boundaries.
So no Stacy, I can give you all the links to the youtube videos, blogs forums et al. where I have advocated for various athletes of many nationalities, but it will never be good enough. Stacy life will teach you that we know more about each other than we think. Meaning that being consumed in our thoughts is what really limits us from truly knowing each other. I know you’re a blessed, beautiful woman, I know ur intelligent, I know you’re compassionate, and nothing you’ve ever said, written, thought or typed or will ever say write or type have told/will tell me that.
What did you think of Doha today?
email me or facebook me if you want nmannin00@ccny.cuny.edu
Peace
It’s a nice recitation and paraphrasing of a sociology textbook, but it doesn’t make you right. I studied and minored in West Indian history so I do not need a lesson in colonialism from you. I compromise on many things, but as any of my friends will tell you, the one thing I do not tolerate is stupidity. Stupidity however can be amended with regular visits to a library. When stupidity is coupled with closemindedness, there isn’t enough time in the world to make one understand that they are in fact stupid and we end up with a society full of Sarah Palins. No thank you.
I know your role is to play the victim. I’ve victimized you and all the Jamaicans have victimized Jeter…boohoo. Poor you. What you stated right off the bat is that the victimization of Jeter has to do with our nationalistic tendencies because you saw more accusations re Jeter than SAF. And what I pointed out was that you are a hypocrite because nowhere on this board did I see ANY evidence of you defending accusations hurled at SAF, but boy did you jump on the “Jeter defence team”. hmmm I wonder why that is? Could it be because of your own nationalistic prejudicies? Somehow the defence of SAF is due to nationalism but your defence of Jeter isn’t. Yes, that makes you a hypocrite. I calls ‘em likes I sees ‘em.
Did you know that there was a movement to remove SAF from the Olympic team and replace her with VCB, even though she qualified in the top 3 while VCB didn’t? She was thought of as a fluke, and too young and green, and that VCB stood a better chance at getting a medal in the 100m. Well, we all know the outcome and the rest is history. SAF didn’t automatically have the support she has now just because of Jamaican nationalism, she has support because she earned it and proved herself worthy of said support. Asafa doesn’t have automatic support either. He only has it when he’s earned it. So if you think you can come on here and post crap and claim that Jamaican nationalism makes us blind or irrational, and not expect to get your knuckles rapped for stupidity, think again. Do you think that if Jamaicans suffered from blind loyalty that Yohan Blake would’ve had to go into hiding? No he wouldn’t. It’s just another example of you pretending to know anything when you really don’t.
You stated as absolute fact that cynisicm undermines the enjoyment of the sport and how you became disillusioned after Marion Jones finally admitted her drug use. I stated that if nothing else, in the years since Marion’s revelations, sprinting has become even more popular in Jamaica which makes you…wrong. Big surprise.
Me stating that you don’t know what you are talking about and rebutting your premises doesn’t make you a martyr or a victim. It just makes you wrong. How does someone who stopped believing in the sport and its athletes have the utter gall to lecture others (who kept their love and loyalty for the sport) on how to enjoy the sport. How do you not see the irony in that?
You have attempted to pigeonhole me and tried to place me into some box formed from your limited understanding. If you bothered to notice, I have never said either way whether or not I think jeter is clean. What I equivocably state is that those who believe her to be a drug cheat, have a right to their opinion given the facts. The facts.What they have done is what every single jury in the justice is asked to do everyday. Take the facts and form an opinion/conclusion. It is somehow good enough for the judicial system but not you. I say that their points are valid and you say they are not entitled to their opinions because they are being prejudiced. Now, which one of us is being closeminded?
For the record, you were not called a hypocrite for defending Jeter, after all how would that be hypocritical? You are a hypocrite for defending Jeter and no one else. You are a hypocrite for dictating terms to others while failing to live up to those same terms. You became condescending and dictatorial by having the nerve to tell others how they should behave, think, and feel. As if they have no right (or lacked the mental capacity) to form an opinion without your say-so.
You are not the thought police. Noone elected you to that post.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!!!!!!!!
Even in the down years, we still RULE over the little island!!!! MEDAL COUNT – BEIJING: USA – 23 jam.- 11 BERLIN: USA – 23 jam. – 11
YE YE! a mad ting…Veronica World indoor champ gold fi Jamaica again enuh…its gonna be mad ting dis summer!! Jamaica to d wurll!!
by the way, did any1 see veronica blast the drawers & bra off jeter their great american hope?LOL
Mickey!!! Poor Mickey….silly fellow. Lets do the maths. Jamaica = 3 million people divided by 11 medals = 1 medal for every 273,000 yardies. USA = 300 million people divided by 23 medals = 1 medal for every 13 + million Americans. Yeah the US won…big deal!
Yeah Minnie, Jeter ate dust as usual in the big one. I guess she has trained to peak after the World Indoors just like last year. What’s the excuse this time?
Hey PC, you made me laugh because that’s the same thing I told Nathaniel this weekend. Who trains to peak after the championships? Pahlease. I think she can be inducted as the new Bronze Queen.
On another note, we all noticed a long time ago that Mickey doesn’t talk sense and already admitted to talking nonsense for attention so we have just all taken to ignoring him. After all, there is no point in arguing with a madman.
Guys, does anyone else love Dayron Robles as much as I do? How does he make hurdling look like gliding? What an amazing championships the Caribbean had.
Doug Logan’s new blog dealt with “the moment”. The unscripted moment in a sporting event that takes your breath away, or gives you a sense of pride, unity, or unreality. Thank you Dayron and Veronica for giving me those moments. And to that American high jumper whose name I can’t remember who is always so animated and full of smiles whether she wins or loses that I can’t help but to cheer for her along with Blanca Vlasic. Thank you for my moments. And to Yelena Isinbayeva who has made me feel the WTF moment because I didn’t see it coming. This was the first indoor meet I actually enjoyed. Thank you all.
stacy me love him more than you i adore him and thomas lol. stacy me kinda feel bad about the bronze queen thing you know why because our girl was robbed this girl just very suspect after those fantastic times she just flop so hm this bring back to memory tim montgomery’s interview with fish when he said that he hid by day and trained by nights and when him take the drugs angel would test him before and after let us see lol. and no one dont dare mention asafa he just have psycholgical problems.
true iv noticed that every1 has chosen to treat his comments like fart in the wind
Stacy, leave Nathaniel alone, u no se im stubbon like Belly-fat.
Rahtid, one line Mickey come back.
tony, I don’t know how you come up with these things that make me laugh and laugh and laugh. U too much.
Ah goin haffi use dat belly fat line tomorrow. Dat is di bess one yet.
roots you not easy unu where you come from with those things
i have been reading all the comments here and trust me i had to laugh, but all in all the USA vs JAM is always good to watch, the amrecian will always have more medals coz they are in every event there of. but whatsoever we Jamacia touch becomes Gold
LOVES Carmelita!..Veronica Campbell-Brown, too. Starting to love ShelleyAnn.
VCB posting a new personal best 10.78 this season was great to see. Carmelita’s 10.64 at the end of last season was AMAZING!
Let them all stay HEALTHY & may the best
lady win!!